Friday, October 17, 2008

Thoughts about the presidential election

Dave Lindorff sums up my views nicely here.

And here is a good article entitled, "For Obama but against abortion."


Rhology said...

...16-month withdrawal timetable that would have the killing and dying in that sad land going on longer than most wars this nation has fought...

So, you're saying that all the killing and dying going on there is b/c of the presence of US troops?
It almost makes me hope the Messiah does win the election and surrenders Iraq and Afghanistan to the jihadis, just to prove how wrong you are.
But to be a liberal, one must have a short memory, so as to forget the many failures of that viewpoint in the past, so I guess that's a lot to ask.

Jonathan said...

I don't have the energy to respond to you Rhology. My dad's been in the hospital for the last week, and it's been pretty difficult on the family. If anyone else wants to respond, go for it.

Rhology said...

Sorry to hear that.
Sounds like you have your priorities well in order.
Talk to you later.

Michael Westmoreland-White said...

My view is somewhat less cynical about Obama, but I don't radically disagree. He is slightly left of the U.S. Center whereas I am a Kucinich-style progressive--with a pragmatic streak. Obama's victory didn't bring "the change we need," but merely the OPPORTUNITY for such change. He will need social movements (by people of faith and others) pushing him to be more pro-peace, more anti-torture, stronger on economic justice, etc., etc.

ALL politicians need such pushing, as the former Chicago community organizer knows very well. But I much prefer pushing someone at least partially progressive (who WANTS to do the right thing--as when LBJ urged MLK, Jr. to return to the streets after the '64 Civil Rights Act and create the context that would make passing the Voting Rights Act of '65 possible) than pushing BACK against the pro-war, pro-torture, anti-environment, anti-economic justice of the McCain agenda. After all, I know how few successes peace and social justice movements have had in the last 8 years. Even if Obama was no more progressive than Clinton, it would be a better context.

Electoral politics need to be accompanied by social movement politics. Neither should be approached as if "messianic."

P.S., Praying for your father, Jonathan.